What we are looking at above is a number of specific answers to some larger and much more stubborn questions. This image, an original text in the Remember Some Guys tradition, bears the handwriting of a young Tom Ley and was furnished to this website by his mother, Mom Ley. It illustrates the results of an auction-style NFL fantasy draft held at a time that leading experts have estimated but not yet ascertained. That is what we know for sure. The rest is conjecture. This is the way it goes.
The Guys whose names appear give some sense of the time period. There are only so many years in which Byron Chamberlain was being selected in fantasy drafts, for example, which pegs this all squarely in the middle of the first decade of this millennium, but the valuations on the rest are confusing. Shaun Alexander’s price suggests he was chosen near or just after his peak, which came in 2006, but the mere presence of Garrison Hearst’s name on the list moves the prospective timeline back a couple of years. The price that Mom Ley paid for Priest Holmes suggests that she got in on the early side of his Demigod Period; that David Boston was drafted at all does not work with any of the possible timelines suggested above; the mysterious Nikki’s prioritization of Frank Wycheck is honestly very difficult to parse by any measure; whatever the year, Andreas got himself a steal on the reliable Curtis Conway at just $5. It is possible that knowing the price paid for Antowain Smith would cause all the stubborn tumblers above to fall into place and open the vault, but the image cuts off and leaves us short, there. We can only ever know so much. All drafts are like this, as they happen and for a decent while after that.
On Thursday night, NFL executives attempted to do something that fantasy football idiots have done with relative ease for many years now, which is draft players onto their team without everyone involved being in the same room at the same time. As is typical for the NFL, this extremely mundane thing was handled with a preposterous and distinctive combination of grave seriousness and thunderously chowderheaded overdetermination. Seahawks GM John Schneider destroying multiple walls in his home so as not to Block The Internet Waves is, just on its own, a perfect little poem about how powerful men think and act in this country at this moment. Other executives were less vigorously smashy, but similarly overwhelmed by this simplest of technological tasks. These decision-making men live in bleak suburban instamanses or Arizonan permutations of the Parasite house or rusticated island estates, but it was clear that none of them had ever done any actual work there.
It went up the chain like this. Roger Goodell went on Good Morning America and talked about what he insisted upon calling his Man Cave; a video later revealed that said cave featured a throw pillow with the NFL logo on it. After a long introductory video scored with plaintive pianos and voiced through the pipe-organ sinuses of Peyton Manning, which played like a political campaign ad that had somehow figured out how to get weepily drunk, Goodell took the podium and pretended that he was the President of the United States. He thanked the troops. “Let us dream of better days,” he said, “and help others,” and then he tossed it to Harry Connick, Jr. for the national anthem. People desperate for sports—any sports, even this patchy conference-call version of sports transactions—instead got a prolonged dose of the same uneasy energy that’s suffuses those Verizon ads where they’re like “we know you’re scared of dying and depressed. Verizon is scared, too.”
It’s all very odd, but there are, all across this country, men who vibrate at precisely this uncanny frequency, and to whom all of this weird-ass shit was both deeply normal and pitched at exactly the right level of emotional seriousness. These are highly competitive, secretly maudlin men who read Sun Tzu and apply his ancient teachings to browbeating or inspiring the employees of the Petco stores they manage or the Subway franchises they own; they believe shockingly strange things in many cases, but they are also deeply and proudly normal. NFL executives differ from people like this in degree, but not in kind. Treating something goofy like a remote draft as if it were an extremely complicated neurosurgical procedure is an authentic expression of how they view their jobs and the world, and the relationship between the two. (It is telling that the league’s only owner-exec, immortal scotch wizard Jerry Jones, insisted that his scouting staff not interrupt his draft deliberations and made his pick—the coolest player available, Oklahoma WR CeeDee Lamb, credit where due—from a room on his nauseatingly gaudy yacht. It is surprising and honestly disappointing that, given the circumstances, he did not somehow manage to draft Pamela Anderson.)
Was any of this good? It’s hard to say, but all things considered it was both unbearable and totally fine. In the absence of any actual sports to watch, there was—and will still be over the subsequent rounds of conference calls in the next few days—at least something that was nearly sports. There was the NFL being very busy doing NFL things with all the pomp and circumstance that can be managed over Zoom by men who believe at the very core of their beings that computers are somehow not real, or anyway less real than the results of a punt returner’s Wonderlic test.
Some of these picks will work out and most will not. Even the ones that fall into the former group will spend most or all of their careers in anonymity, aching in the dirt. One or two or three of the players drafted will become Dudes. Some will wash all the way out, quickly or less quickly, and people will remember them for that. Some will ascend to claim the level of status as the players whose names an adolescent Tom scrawled down however many years ago; we must believe that the next Antowain Smith is out there, and the fact that this is surely true is not the only reason we need to believe it.
But during this draft, at this moment of great cultural need, all these players and the many whose names have not yet been called will become and be Draft Guys, and memorable for that. They will honor the Draft Guy legacies of Mike Mamula and Curtis Enis and Dan McGwire and Bjorn Werner; this generation will meet its own analogues to Robert Gallery and Cadillac Williams and Vernon Gholston and Knowshon Moreno. They will be—they are now, although no one truly knows it yet—Draft Guys to remember. This is how it goes. Sometimes it feels more momentous than others.
So: who are some Draft Guys that you remember?
sad says:
Philip Buchanon
Denarius Moore
Tyler Brayton
Doug Jolley
Demarcus Van Dyke
April 24, 2020 — 12:01 pm
dolfan says:
Brady Quinn
April 24, 2020 — 12:03 pm
David Dyte says:
His epic slide down the board made Olympic luge look comparatively pedestrian.
April 24, 2020 — 3:27 pm
rich says:
Fondly remembering Ashley Lelie, the next great Deep Threat in the league.
April 24, 2020 — 12:05 pm
Zack says:
Tye Hill
April 24, 2020 — 12:22 pm
jtr says:
Next Great Deep Threat is an elite Draft Guy category. Darius Heyward-Bey. Charles Rodgers. DK Metcalf, who was perhaps the most epically over-analyzed Draft Guy in history.
April 24, 2020 — 12:24 pm
Unincorporated Clackamas County FC says:
DK Metcalf may have been over-analyzed to all hell, but he kinda proved the point with his rookie season.
It may have been helped him slightly that he had Russell Wilson throwing the ball.
April 24, 2020 — 1:13 pm
jtr says:
I’m not saying he’s bad, just that he was a serious Draft Guy. Nobody has ever been more of a Draft Prospect than him. Half of Twitter consisted of DK Metcalf Takes for months.
April 24, 2020 — 1:18 pm
jtr says:
Josh Allen (the QB one) was a similarly all-encompassing Draft Guy. Half of Draft Twitter yelling that he completely sucks, half of Draft Twitter yelling that he’s totally awesome. And in a stunning turn of events, he ends up being…fine I guess. Not great, not terrible. Everybody was wrong, but at least we got a lot of NFL Draft Discourse out of him.
April 24, 2020 — 1:22 pm
PalestinianChicken says:
I read that as “Deep Throat” at first; I always thought “Ashley Lelie” would’ve been a great porn name. Lindsey Hunter All-Stars quality.
Pretty decent player, and I remember trading for him in Madden 2003.
April 24, 2020 — 12:27 pm
Kirt What Was That Manwaring says:
I remember that guy!
April 24, 2020 — 12:28 pm
Randballsstu says:
Chip Lohmiller
April 24, 2020 — 12:05 pm
New Clear Balms says:
I realize this isn’t exactly the proper forum for this, but these guys have been on my mind a lot lately, and I need to remember them somewhere.
Dave Collins: https://kronozio.blob.core.windows.net/images/card/b11b0da2f6464c1487ff71a889427092_front.jpg
Derek Lilliquist: https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/322/322-175Fr.jpg
There. My burden has been lifted.
April 24, 2020 — 12:06 pm
Torsloke says:
All of the things I’ve been unable to remember in recent years are because every nook and cranny those memories could possibly occupy are filled to bursting with middling Indians middle relievers of the years 1981 – 2007. It’s like a run down thrift store crammed with Ernie Camachos, Eric Plunks, Jerry Dipotos, Rich Yettses, and Rick Krivdas.
April 24, 2020 — 11:10 pm
DENNYCRANE says:
The first time I watched the draft as a kid was the year the Giants drafted Jarrod Bunch, and the reaction from the crowd and the commentary team is seared into my brain. Just a perfect combination of “who” and “what the hell” and “oh God”
April 24, 2020 — 12:14 pm
David Roth says:
There was an underground rapper when I was in college—I think it was Mr. Eon, but there were like six bearded raspy-voiced white backpack dudes who looked and sounded very similar—who referred to himself in a song as “hip-hop’s Jarrod Bunch.” At the time I thought it was a weird brag. In retrospect, I think he might somehow have been right.
April 24, 2020 — 1:07 pm
jtr says:
Brady Quinn is an all time Draft Guy. He was hyped up to be a potential #1 overall pick just because he was from Notre Dame and looked the part. He slid all the way to #22, and the whole time ESPN had a sideline reporter check in with him every couple of picks to confirm that yes, he’s still here, and yes, he wishes someone had picked him already. After some shitty years in Cleveland, he finally fulfilled his ultimate destiny in 2013 by being cut by the Jets twice in the same season. One of the Draft Guy GOATS in my opinion.
April 24, 2020 — 12:15 pm
Hank Scorpio says:
Brady Quinn, in 2013: “Now I’m done.”
April 24, 2020 — 12:27 pm
John K says:
EAS Myoplex really threw that one into heavy coverage.
April 24, 2020 — 2:42 pm
DJ Mc says:
Chris Redman, now somehow the THIRD-best Louisville quarterback to play football in Baltimore.
April 24, 2020 — 12:17 pm
Elegor says:
Joey Harrington
Charles Rogers
Roy Williams
Kevin Jones
Mike Williams
Go Lions?
April 24, 2020 — 12:19 pm
David Roth says:
I was going to put some Lions guys in the little list I have at the end but somehow like a third of them are legitimately somewhere between depressing and actually tragic. What a jewel of a franchise.
April 24, 2020 — 1:17 pm
lovintheorange says:
How they draft in the courtyard
Sweet summer sweat
Some guys to remember
Some guys to forget
April 24, 2020 — 3:37 pm
FDH says:
I play in a Metro Detroit-based league, you gotta believe these guys were hot commodities:
Jason Hanson
Mike Furrey
Joique Bell
Bill Schroeder
Joe Fauria
Brandon Pettigrew
April 24, 2020 — 1:34 pm
Dylan says:
Ahhh Roy Williams….art of a long list of Mack Brown era Longhorns who I desperately wanted to have amazing pro careers.
April 24, 2020 — 1:38 pm
jtr says:
Imagine the humiliation of being the fucking second-best guy in the league with your own name. Receiver Roy Williams got absolutely fucking owned by safety Roy Williams.
April 24, 2020 — 1:52 pm
unfortunate son says:
Don’t forget Andre Ware
April 24, 2020 — 1:43 pm
Jason says:
Rhett Bomar, eventual successor to the Eli Manning era
April 24, 2020 — 12:24 pm
JustAGuyGuy says:
When I was in college I saw Bomar vs. fellow future draft pick Nathan Brown
April 24, 2020 — 12:33 pm
DENNYCRANE says:
I thought that was Ryan Nassib?
April 24, 2020 — 1:08 pm
Jacko says:
Tyson Alualu
Antonio Cromartie
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Brandon Meriwether
Jake Locker
April 24, 2020 — 12:25 pm
Jesse says:
Erik Flowers
Jim Druckenmiller
Tommy Vardell
Assorted Mikes Williams
April 24, 2020 — 12:26 pm
Len says:
That’s “Ereck”
April 24, 2020 — 1:34 pm
Jesse says:
Or is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Flowers
April 24, 2020 — 2:31 pm
CKO026 says:
Beanie Wells
Rob Kelley
Kevin White
Julius Jones
April 24, 2020 — 2:04 pm
Jacko says:
Almost forgot…Donnie Avery
April 24, 2020 — 12:26 pm
Chris says:
Mike Mamula
April 24, 2020 — 12:26 pm
Teck says:
Craig Nall
Tyrone Calico
Craphonso Thrope
Maurice Stovall
Dwayne Jarrett
Yamon Figurs
April 24, 2020 — 12:27 pm
Undeadspin Forever says:
Mike Alstott. Good for 7 yards and 2 TDs once every four weeks.
Also, this made me happier than I have been in quite some time, so thank you Roth! “Immortal scotch wizard” is a great phrase that I will incorporate into my vocabulary.
April 24, 2020 — 12:28 pm
Definitely Not Mike Alstott says:
Mike Alstott played 11 years, made 6 pro bowls, and is in his team’s ring of honor. Seems like a pretty accomplished football guy.
April 24, 2020 — 12:49 pm
💙Noelle Sellars says:
Cee Dee Lamb is from Oklahoma but go on.
April 24, 2020 — 12:28 pm
jtr says:
Dion Jordan! Dolphins traded up to pick him third overall, immediately ahead of Lane Johnson and Ziggy Ansah. By the time they cut him a few years later, he had managed three whole sacks and a full season suspension, and was so useless that they were desperately trying him as a goal line tight end.
April 24, 2020 — 12:39 pm
ned b says:
patrick ramsey
shane matthews
jason campbell
fred davis
malcom kelly
josh doctson
sage rosenfels
leonard hankerson
April 24, 2020 — 12:40 pm
jtr says:
Jason Campbell is too complex a creature to be reduced to Draft Guy. Possibly an entirely unique category of Guy. Needs further study.
April 24, 2020 — 12:56 pm
FDH says:
Josh Doctson is technically still in the NFL
April 24, 2020 — 1:25 pm
Fred says:
Shane Matthews was actually an undrafted FA though. Had a bog career at Florida for the Ol Ball Coach, but everyone realized he wasn’t an NFL Guy way back then.
April 24, 2020 — 5:19 pm
Merlin Enabnit says:
Vernon Gholston
Matt Jones
Adam Archuleta
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Bruce Campbell
Trung Canidate
April 24, 2020 — 12:55 pm
Dreadspun says:
Ronnie Brown at 2 and Cadillac Williams at 5 will forever be the greatest tandem of Top 10 Draft Guys, but later in that same round were David Pollack and Thomas Davis!
(Davis is easily a Guy HoFer at both the collegiate and pro level.)
April 24, 2020 — 12:57 pm
Bomb Ley says:
?? Davis is legitimately great and one of maybe 6 guys from that draft (2 non-QBs/Ks) still in the league. Much more than a Guy.
Troy Williamson, now that was a Guy
April 24, 2020 — 3:27 pm
Tom's Mom says:
Antowain Smith went for $20
April 24, 2020 — 1:05 pm
David Roth says:
This explains a lot, thank you.
April 24, 2020 — 1:18 pm
Space Coyote says:
Do they have to be NFL Draft guys? Of the top ten draft picks in the 2008 NBA Draft, nine of those players went on to have at worst a mediocre career. The other was Joe Alexander, who averaged 4.2 pts in 67 NBA games.
April 24, 2020 — 1:13 pm
David Roth says:
I wrote so many rookie cards for that dude. He’d had kind of an interesting life, as I recall—he was born and spent a lot of his youth in China or something like that. And now he gets to play basketball there, possibly?
April 24, 2020 — 1:19 pm
Merlin Enabnit says:
our mans is in his chambre de bonnes, staring wistfully out at the empy streets in in the north of France, puffing on a Gauloise and wondering if he’ll ever be afforded the opportunity to put up 11.2 ppg for a last-place club again. https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/france-lnb-pro-a/2020.html
April 24, 2020 — 1:28 pm
Len says:
Santana Moss
Anthony Becht
Curtis Enis
Tim Couch
Jeff Lageman
Knowshon Moreno
April 24, 2020 — 1:22 pm
Akno says:
Let’s remember the Ravens’ various attempts to draft wide receivers:
Travis Taylor
Mark Clayton
Breshad Perriman
April 24, 2020 — 1:24 pm
DJ Mc says:
I was a Travis Taylor defender for many years. He could fly down the sideline and make a great catch in stride and score, then the next series drop three passes on hook and out routes that most of us could make (discounting that we would be immediately smeared by a defender afterwards and fumble, but still).
Unfortunately the Ravens didn’t have a quarterback able to regularly connect on the long pass, and too many coaches focusing on calling the short ones.
April 24, 2020 — 2:26 pm
Brooklyn Jacoby says:
William Green. Still remember defending him in college after he was stabbed by his girlfriend as it just was a common thing that happened and not a bad sign.
April 24, 2020 — 1:28 pm
Dylan says:
David Carr
JP Losman
Kyle Boller
Brady Quinn
Jimmy Clausen
Joey Harrington
April 24, 2020 — 1:36 pm
Garfield Thelonius Remington III says:
O.J. Santiago
Quentin Jammer
Drayton Florence
Reche Caldwell
Ki-Jana Carter
Rashaan Salaam
Laurence Phillips
Heath Shuler
April 24, 2020 — 2:02 pm
DJ Mc says:
“Quentin Jammer” is such a great name for a cornerback that I still refuse to believe he was a real player.
April 24, 2020 — 2:27 pm
Garfield Thelonius Remington III says:
A pretty damned good one, too! With a long career! And he was like the 3rd overall pick or something that year!
April 24, 2020 — 5:32 pm
RomanWarHelmet says:
Ron Dayne. Always and forever Ron Dayne.
April 24, 2020 — 2:06 pm
buffalo rimshot says:
blair thomas
April 24, 2020 — 2:24 pm
Bobby Ricigliano says:
Peerless Price
Paul Posluszny
John McCargo
Torell Troup
April 24, 2020 — 3:09 pm
Douggernaut Marrone says:
Solid Western New York Guys
April 24, 2020 — 4:41 pm
BOBBY RICIGLIANO says:
One of my favorite guys to remember is Bryce Paup.
April 27, 2020 — 12:28 pm
inrodwetrust says:
Robert Gallery
Vernon Gholston
Chris Sims
A.J. Hawk
April 24, 2020 — 3:34 pm
lovintheorange says:
John Kasay
Natrone Means
Willis McGahee
Antoine Winfield
April 24, 2020 — 3:34 pm
kanyewesteros says:
anybody here who is in learnedleague has a treat coming in October.
also, zarko cabarkapa, tariq abdul-wahad, and joe mcewing.
April 24, 2020 — 3:35 pm
Chris says:
Pete Koch
April 24, 2020 — 3:48 pm
Old James says:
Andy Katzenmoyer
April 24, 2020 — 3:51 pm
DJ Mc says:
That name always makes me think of this: https://vault.si.com/vault/1998/08/31/class-struggle-at-ohio-state
Rick Reilly when he still had his fastball.
April 24, 2020 — 8:31 pm
Fred says:
Gotta be 2001.
April 24, 2020 — 5:11 pm
Fred says:
Mike Mamula
Jon Harris
Antone Davis
Leonard Renfro
Lester Holmes
April 24, 2020 — 5:16 pm
NK says:
Arnez .Battle
Mike Rumph
R.W. McQuarters
A.J. Jenkins
LaMichael James
April 24, 2020 — 5:20 pm
Bianca says:
Josh Lay, whose nickname was Bernard
April 24, 2020 — 5:25 pm
Bianca says:
Whoops! Apparently I got that backwards. His name is Bernard, nickname Josh. 🤦🏽♀️
April 24, 2020 — 5:26 pm
Fred says:
Is that like Chief Master Sergeant George “Steve” Cum?
April 24, 2020 — 5:44 pm
Bianca says:
i—
April 25, 2020 — 2:52 am
Dong Jr. says:
Glen Coffee
I don’t check up on him because he went out like a dropped mic and I like to envision him as the owner of a vape shop in Clito.
April 24, 2020 — 5:51 pm
toddflanders says:
Glen Coffee actually has a pretty cool story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/08/07/glen-coffee-was-an-nfl-running-back-now-hes-on-the-army-ranger-school-staff/
April 25, 2020 — 6:01 pm
Thomas says:
My earliest memory of a draft was when the Browns took Heisman Trophy winner Charles White in the 1980 draft. What could go wrong there?
April 24, 2020 — 6:34 pm
Wicket says:
Limas Sweed
April 24, 2020 — 7:07 pm
Ed Burmila says:
Andre Wadsworth
April 24, 2020 — 8:42 pm
Matt says:
Scott Frost – Nebraska QB drafted as.a Safety (which he never played) – in the third round!
April 24, 2020 — 8:59 pm
tempreader says:
as a kid it was sincerely perplexing to see Heisman winner Troy Smith go in the 5th round
April 25, 2020 — 1:06 am
Bianca says:
I’m a little older, such that I had the same experience regarding Gino Torretta, whichever year it was that he got picked super late
April 25, 2020 — 2:55 am
Bianca says:
Keith McCants
Keithen McCant
(Not related)
April 25, 2020 — 3:00 am
foxtrotfoxtrotfoxtrotFOXTROT says:
Maxx Williams
Maxx Crosby
April 25, 2020 — 6:03 am
toddflanders says:
My earliest football memory is watching Super Bowl XXIX. I was 6 years old. Steve Young kicked ass! It was a great time to be a young Niners fan. Over the next few years, he got old, was replaced by Jeff Garcia (a guy in his own right), he had some good years! But was not the long term replacement. But in 2000, the Niners finally drafted the long term solution! Giovanni Carmazzi, in the third round!
I remember Gio Carmazzi 🙁
Not like there were any good quarterbacks drafted in the late rounds of the 2000 draft…
April 25, 2020 — 5:52 pm
thumpasaurus says:
Davis Webb
David Fales
Justin Harrell
Ahmad Carroll
Fullback (OHHHH NOOOO)……..Roger Vick
Anthony Gonzalez
Jahvid Best
John Beck
April 28, 2020 — 10:53 am
TrevorP says:
Some guys I remembered.
David Wilson
Aaron Curry
Justin Blackmon
Michael Bush
May 13, 2020 — 12:19 pm